What did i do wrong?

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Fri May 30, 2003 7:51 am

Since i have been in the Order of Hyssop, I have been getting about 1/3 the xp pass-up. It is even less if ya concider the 5 days I was out of the chain.

Not sure if it was the correct move to go up...........prolly lost 1.4 billion xp in a 2 week time period. The top of the food chain needs to hunt a little for the next group commin into the order. Poor Jack Able will be getting Jack for xp otherwise!

luang · Post by **luang** » Fri May 30, 2003 8:06 am

I think it's a chain-wide occurence.

I seem to get less and less xp each day.

Maybe most members are cutting down on their levelling time ?

Khaz-Modaan · Post by **Khaz-Modaan** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:23 am

Not just you, I'm also hit with less xp, for more quota.

That could because I'm also placed wrong, but I'll give it a while.

Kazsam · Post by **Kazsam** » Fri May 30, 2003 10:56 am

Yup me too, getting about 2/3 of what i did and thats on a good day

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Fri May 30, 2003 2:26 pm

I think part of it is the changes Ranger did with the quota calculations. Everything is calculated correctly; I'm sure of that. However, the % Passed column now is NOT the % of XP you pass up. Now, the % Passed column means you exactly made quota if you show 100%. In most cases, 100% means you are passing up a lot less than 100% of the XP you received from the chain.

I think what is happening is that many of the people in the chain have always wanted to keep their quota at 100% passup and have worked very hard to make that happen. Now, however, 100% really only means that you barely made quota.

Another way of saying it is that, are you ready? Now, 100% in that column means you are really passing up probably only 6 million (12 in the OH) above what you automatically pass up anyway. My impression is that a lot of the people in the chain hunt until the % Passed column shows 100%, then they get to go do other things.

For the first 100 million that comes in from the chain, you pass up 93.75 million automatically. The 6 million quota cap will take the passed up number back to about 100 million. 100 million per week is only about 14 million per day from the chain. Whether you get 100 million a week, or 400 million a week, the cap is still 6 million. The % Passed column will still show 100% as soon as you make your 6 million. If your % Passed column is showing 100% and you get more than 14 million per day from the chain, you are leaching XP from the chain. (You are still making quota, but, at the same time, you are not passing up 100% of what you receive.

)

In the old days, 100% on 400 million a week meant you were added 6.25% * 400 million, or 25 million per week to the chain. Now, 100% means you are adding 6 million per week to the chain. If you take the 19 million XP difference between those two numbers, times everyone in the chain, you are talking about millions upon millions of XP that is not being put into the chain right now.

That's my take on it. At 400 million a week from the chain, in order to really pass up 100% of what you receive, your % Passed column needs to show 105%. The more XP you receive each week from the chain, the higher that number needs to be in order to pass up everything you get.

I will verify with Ranger that is how the calculations are based now and will post back here after I find out for sure, but I think that's why the XP has dropped.

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Fri May 30, 2003 2:52 pm

Thanks for the math again oof

basically everyone needs to try to hit 110 % instead of 100% and the xp will pick back up again..

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Fri May 30, 2003 3:15 pm

Depending on how much XP people get from the chain yes. I just talked to Ranger and he said the % Passed column is based on a percentage of quota made, not on how much XP was received/passed up.

Until an easy way to see the difference is put into place, I would recommend that everyone hunt until the % Passed column shows at least 105%. More is better

Heatmiser · Post by **Heatmiser** » Fri May 30, 2003 3:27 pm

My personal xp production has dropped because I have been fellowing with AFK LD fellow bots at Walled Fort when I hunt VoD. So Im passing up less into the Order but the bots are under our lowest Food Chain member so its cranking the bottom of the chain.

This being an open forum for chain discussions though, maybe somebody should start a thread about increasing the quota for the OH.

acaddict · Post by **acaddict** » Fri May 30, 2003 3:43 pm

Thanks for the explaination Oof, but not what i meant. Prior to the move up to the OH, i was getting approximately 60-90 million xp per day passed up from vassals. Now i only get approximately 15-30 per day. Is this maybe cuz it is finally getting nice outside and people don't play as much this time of year?? If so, prolly a good thing and i'm reading the move wrong, but i am receiving way less xp after the move.

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Fri May 30, 2003 4:38 pm

Part of it may certainly be because it's springtime outside and the flowers are blooming and all of that.

I do think, though, that a lot of the XP drop within the last little bit is because of the calculation of the % Passed. A lot of the people I talk to have said, "I want to get my numbers above 100%." They're doing that in their effort to be good, productive chain members. But now, when they hit 100% and decide to quit hunting, they never actually got to 100%. Sure, several peole are hunting for over 100%, but then it goes through a couple of people who are taking part of that XP out (but still showing 100% on the page).

I really think the XP is getting diluted as it passed up through the chain right now. After this Shadowclaim weekend is over (because it's probably going to wreck the XP here on Solclaim), we'll try to get things back to normal. If the reason for the slowdown is spring, there's not much to do. If it's that people are misreading the quota percentages on the page and are quitting hunting earlier than normal, that's fixable

Either way, you moved to the right spot. You'll get some new chain vassal this weeked in the OH and that will help your particular situation.

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Fri May 30, 2003 4:54 pm

What is this 'outside' of which you speak?

Heatmiser · Post by **Heatmiser** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:25 pm

LOL

Yes, xp will definately be down as Shadowclaim will be up all weekend. Still, xp should not have been that bad before Shadowclaim came up. 15-30 from 60-90 is a huge drop. Kind of odd. Are we sure we don't have a break somewhere?

luang · Post by **luang** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:31 pm

I'm thinking Oof hit the right spot.

I know I am hunting xp untill that magic 100% shows up; then I go about doing some fun things...

Maybe you should change the numbers on the chain page a bit ?

DL · Post by DL » Sat May 31, 2003 1:41 pm

I don't see any difference yet.

So placement has not much to do with it since I was in the 1st wave and sorta/somewhat near the middle of the top...lol.

I think alot of peeps just hunt til they get their quota and then move on to other things or other chars.....however....what I do get from the chain is totally free as long as I do my part to be allowed to remain in chain so....free is free and more than I'd have if I wasn't in the chain.

I do remember saying the mid to top part of the "food" chain was a better position for xp's cause the ones trying to get to lv 126 pass up xp's like crazy "tons of it"...and the higher level ones tend to get real LAZY once a certain level has been attained and barely meet their quotas most of the time...maybe in a few weeks we'll see some bigger numbers on the OoH but right now I'm not seeing anything better than what I had before..

BTW....this is not a complaint....just an FYI for those being placed lower and think the uppers are in a better position.....it's not necessarily true....

And once again....any free xp is free!....but I do work 10 times harder now to make my new quota and still receive the same and sometime less than before my move.