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Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:10 pm

Something is broke, stats wise.

I updated my stats cuz I was in upload. Oddly, said I had only ever contributed 12k or so, and that I was failing. So I hit Lacuna and cranked out 60M XP this morning.

Now it says I've contributed 19k total to the chain.

EDIT: before you ask:

I logged in/out several times. Acstats IS registering my last update timestamp properly. (And my level/stats increase).

Compadre · Post by **Compadre** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:50 pm

alright, here's the situation (i believe). Since you were in the upload state the database had no data for you. When you went and made all that xp it had nothing to look at to see what your numbers were before. What you had to do for that xp to show up was update before you went off and made that xp. That way the system would have had some numbers to go off of. As to what we're going to do about this, I'll leave that up to Oof. Ideally you just go make more xp (sorry, bleh) and get ahead. Your numbers will update correctly now that the database has data to go off of.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:51 pm

Da database wrote:20031220102210 38896229997 2431347224 800769332 Lagmatic
20031220101221 38896032076 2431347224 800769332 Lagmatic
20031220100818 38896032076 2431219006 800679047 Lagmatic
20031220100705 38896032076 2412266956 797890327 Lagmatic
20031220073739 38836458807 2412130800 797823957 Lagmatic
20031206163108 37672252594 1568242603 4192804952 Lagmatic
20031206155941 37577141447 1564725378 4189069497 Lagmatic

Lag, looks like two factors contribute to this.

1. No uploads in the period 6-20 december.
2. You passed the 4.2billion limit in that period

To avoid this in the future, upload more often. Nothing I can do about it, sorry.

Always a good idea to upload BOTH before and after you hunt.

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:38 pm

so basically, you're saying my 60M is discarded?

it didn't happen?

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:53 pm

Yes. What is unfortunate here is that you have not uploaded for two weeks prior to today.

Always, always upload before you hunt if you have been away for a week or longer!!

Oof · Post by **Oof** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:44 am

That being said Lagmatic, we know you hunted for some, so by posting here you bought some time time versus automatically getting a boot (as opposed to having the data time out a little more and going from upload to old data). The first chance you get, try to hunt some more and make the database numbers look right. I'll look at your situation more closely tomorrow after I get a chance to take a little time with it.

Vlad · Post by **Vlad** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:57 am

these uploads are so wierd

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:14 am

Some estimations for Lagmatic based on the 14 day period with the overflow (manually compensated for it).

Patron passup = 2412130800 - 1568242603 = 843888197
Vassal received = 4294967296 + 797823957 - 4192804952 = 899986301

Automatic passup = 899986301 * 0.9375 = 843737157
Hunted = 843888197 - 843737157 = 151040

Estimated Quota = 14 (days) * 12 M (per day) = 168 M

Ok, so far it looks like you were away on a 2 week vacation, all vassal xp passed up and only 151k added.

Total earned = 38836458807 - 37672252594 = 1164206213

Earned from vassals = 899986301 * 1.25 = 1124982876
Difference = 1164206213 - 1124982876 = 39223337

Here is where it starts get fishy. Because you have earned 39M more than that your vassals have produced for you. This indicates one of two things, either you are not at 93.75% passup, or you were without a chain patron because of a chain break?

Average buffed leadership : 127 (Max 129)
Average Buffed loyalty : 298 (Max 300)
Number of Direct Vassals : 11

Your leadership/loyalty values look ok. I am not sure how long back in time it checks though.

Ok, checked your patron has not changed.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:00 am

Okay, redid all the calculations and they look okay. Finally thought of a potential explanation. You have cooking trained, and it costs 167,330,555 xp to raise, which means that the previous step costed 155,115,335 xp. 25% of that is 38778834 xp. So if you did the cooking toothpaste trick that could explain your numbers (the toothpaste xp is not passed up to your patron).

The difference is then 39223337 - 38778834 = 444503 and this gives you a passup rate of 151040 / 444503 = 33,98% which seems reasonable.

http://www.lastdynasty.net/board/viewto ... c&start=30

Stargren wrote:Your passup = 8.8% + another 7% per 100 points. So, with 200 Loyalty, you're gonna be passing 22.8%...with close to 300 loyalty, you're looking at around 30%.

Then, a modifier is added to your Loyalty, equal to 1% per 2.4 hours sworn to your current patron, capping at 100% with 240 hours sworn.

So, it's conceivable that if you play a lot, you could have over 400 effective loyalty, passing up 40% of what you hunt. Which is insane.

Lagmatic buffed loyalty : 300
Theoretical passup : 8.8% + 7.7%*3 = 31,1%

The theoretical passup is fairly close to the calculated passup rate 33,98%.

This does however not account for the 60M Lagmatic hunted.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:09 am

On second thought, it does account for your hunted xp.

The period I was looking at is the 2 week period where you did not upload.

Looking at the newest datapoints from the 20th.

Total increase = 38896229997 - 38836458807 = 59771190
Patron passup = 2431347224 - 2412130800 = 19216424
Vassal received = 800769332 - 797823957 = 2945375

Consistency check,

Total earned from vassals = 1.25 * 2945375 = 3681719
Total vassal xp passed up = 0.9375 * 2945375 = 2761289

Self hunted = 59771190 - 3681719 = 56089471
Self hunted passed up = 19216424 - 2761289 = 16455135

Passup rate = 16455135 / 56089471 = 29.34%

This looks reasonable.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:14 am

Ok, now to explain this line...

Lagmatic 198 Failed 93.7% 2003-12-20 5 days 689,027,231 90,811 10,031,410 442,003,663

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:32 am

You have an old data point from November 30th, and there is an interval between that point and your December 6th point...

Total increase = 37577141447 - 37042798632 = 534342815
Patron passup = 1564725378 - 1153909514 = 410815864
Vassal received = 4189069497 - 3750867659 = 438201838

Vassal xp passed up = 438201838 * 0.9375 = 410814223

Basically you added 16k during those five days, so any hunting you did yesterday was towards that quota debt. Because of the 3 week time window, your last 2 weeks will be "forgotten" soon and your numbers will look positive again.

Nakamuro Zataki · Post by **Nakamuro Zataki** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:43 am

Btw Lagmatic, this is anticipated;

Tomorrow your period should go from 5 days to 2 days.

The answer is in the data above.

Phade · Post by **Phade** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:19 pm

Umm, zat?

Cooking + Toothpaste + lots and lots of math =

Lagmatic · Post by **Lagmatic** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:49 pm

So.. short answer is... I need to go earn 120M?

And yes, I do the toothpaste trick, but I do _NOT_ expect that to help with quota. I hunted 60M free and clear not including that.